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Discuss Debate on Sea Cadets funding in SCC and URNU on Navy Net; the SCC did indeed opt out of the MOD umbrella. it has both good and bad points. as a charity the scc recieve some funding from the MOD. this funding mainly covers uniforms, boats,staff training, ...
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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    the SCC did indeed opt out of the MOD umbrella. it has both good and bad points.

    as a charity the scc recieve some funding from the MOD. this funding mainly covers uniforms, boats,staff training, and some other items which im unsure of.

    BUT, each individual unit is responsible for its own premises, utillity bills, insurance, any vehicles etc.

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    i am from TS MOHAWK, in blackburn. an old CO decided that we would buy a building for a hq. our running costs were £12,00 PER YEAR. when the new CO took over, it was discovered that we only had the lease hold.

    basically, we were tied to the building, and all repairs had to be met buy the unit. the land owners could at any time insist that the unit was put back into the condition it was when we bought it.

    anyway.

    our new CO gets funding for a disabled toilet. (all scc units are now subject to rigid H&S regulations, but no assistance in financing them). new thunder box is fitted, and inspected. the sparkie informs the CO that due to our very dated electrics system, the unit must close untill repairs are carried out. cost £80,000. no one will touch our electrics untill the roof is sorted. cost £100,000 plus.

    anyhow. we have managed to sell the site back to the original seller. the money is put asside for a new building.

    we have currently been homless for 3 years this year, but are still plodding on.

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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    Quote Originally Posted by stripey588

    anyhow. we have managed to sell the site back to the original seller. the money is put asside for a new building.

    we have currently been homless for 3 years this year, but are still plodding on.

    yours aye

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    have you got in contact with anyone from W-S-M unit they were in a very similar situation and now have a rather posh new building etc

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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    A reasonable comparison of the cadet corps can be seen here: Register of MoD Youth Activities and the SCC can be seen to be one of the less well funded bodies, but I guess that's the price of being "more independent".
    As for getting the cadets on the P2000s, it depends mainly upon the training programme. My boss had tried to get as much interaction with the local units around here as possible; I think that they've done two or three day trips this year with some cadets onboard, with more planned for later in the year but they are constrained by H&S, etc as much as the next unit.

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    Also, I'm sure I've seen a piece of MoD literature mentioning the URNUs as a method for active recruiting; I'll try and find it...

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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    F169 said "URNU's were never intended as recruiting vehicles though, they exist to influence future leaders of industry etc. (IE present under-graduates) that the RN is a good thing." but the RN say "to educate a wide spectrum of high calibre undergraduates who show potential as society's future leaders and opinion formers in order to better inform them of the need for and role of the Royal Navy, and to develop awareness of career opportunities in the service".

    Now this last line to me reads that they do have a secondary recruiting role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil1972
    ..." to better inform them of the need for and role of the Royal Navy, and to develop awareness of career opportunities in the service".

    Now this last line to me reads that they do have a secondary recruiting role.
    I think you are correct, but they are (or were) funded under BRNC not Director of Naval Recruiting (DNR) & can, & still do, pull the plug when it suits.

    Not all units granted, but enough to ensure that they have the freedom to operate in the guise of an educator rather than a recruiter.

    Quite sad, I feel when they (P2000s) seem to stay largely static from Mon-Fri during term times. (OK, accepted the ship's coy., who've worked a weekend need days off in lieu- but there's still MWV crews available, despite the howls of protest)
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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    Quote Originally Posted by wompingwillow
    Quote Originally Posted by stripey588

    anyhow. we have managed to sell the site back to the original seller. the money is put asside for a new building.

    we have currently been homless for 3 years this year, but are still plodding on.

    yours aye

    jason

    www.savedutchy.co.uk
    have you got in contact with anyone from W-S-M unit they were in a very similar situation and now have a rather posh new building etc
    we have permission from our local TA unit for a building on thier land. its just a matter of where we can put it, and ironing out our lease. the TA do have a old tube range that has been condemed, and the TA boss has been asking for 4 years to get it taken down. when we got permission to have some space, the TA big cheese's decide WE could pay the £12.000 lus to remove the tube range.

    naturally, we told them we can pay that, and afford the £100.000 for the unit, plus the £20.000 for getting the site ready.

    its all in the hands of the CO now.

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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    May I point out working in local goverment Councillors do not get paid a salary just expencces - you know the same as SCC ADults.

    Quote Originally Posted by Always_a_Civvy
    I must be honest, I had always assumed that the SCC was completely funded by the MOD and fund raising was purely for extras. It is a pity that this is not the case. Given the benefits they confer it would be nice if local councils provided the additional funding - a better use of my council tax than frittering it away on paying councillors salaries or buying the Mayor a new car!

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    Talking about SCC's their is a new thing coming out from MOD and areas, something called Westminster?? it seems that they are taking the lead that committee members, are profestionalls paid for by Mod. unpaid but are accountants, not unpaid civvys doing jobs because they like doing it, if all the volenteers quit they would be in a right state, as most units have a job getting staff as it is.
    As for T.A. the reserve forces are putting up a fight to get rid of the SCC here, as they don't want us and want to sell the land for £1mill. for housing, they would find a part of the local rifle range to put both the ACF and ATC. and the remainsof the TA which they are planning to move to another town.

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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    [Buccaneer"]May I point out working in local goverment Councillors do not get paid a salary just expencces - you know the same as SCC ADults.
    Fuck off Buccaneer - they get a set amount of expenses each year so it is wages. Councilors used to do it for love of their community, not now.

    Anyway back to subject.

    Every time I see those poor boys and girls in HMS Drake my heart bleads. They have a manky hand painted "TS Goldenhind" sign on the door, and next to fuck all inside.
    They drill in all weathers, they do have an indoor hall but not really big enough for most drills.
    They have a ships wheel which is broken, the biggest dockyard in europe is next door, but can they get any assistance, NO, they have to pay an outsider to repair it, hence it sits there broken.
    They don't even have a computer.

    It's another Government - Fuck em - and as said earlier, Navy days and the majority of spectacles would fold without them.
    The country celebrated the abolishion of slavery just now, but it aint dead, it's flourishing in all the cadet corps around the country and the masters are the Government.

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    Re: Debate on Sea Cadets funding

    Rumour has it that the Government, or Civil Servants close within, want to get rid of full bore rifle shooting within the cadet forces, it is for cash reasons (they have recently removed the LSW from cadets), but they instead claim that with the rise in gun crime it is irresponsible to teach cadets how to use weapons.

    Irresponsible to teach cadets how to safely use weapons, and teach them the dangers of weapons? What utter rubbish, how many cadets have committed gun crimes?

    The Sea Cadets are in many towns the only Naval "face" and believe me, cadets would much rather be closer to the Navy than the water sports (and even then very limited for insurance purposes) clubs they are fast becoming, I would say things have got worse since the SCC and Marine Society merged, things becoming less Naval and more Merchant. If kids want to join youth clubs they would go elsewhere, they want to learn the traditions and skills of their parent Armed Force. They need to listen to what the cadets want to get out of training, they want it to be closer to Armed Forces Basic training, the cadets help many kids become more disciplined, and confident in themselves.

    Time for them to be Royal Navy/al Cadets, with full funding from the MoD? I would say so, especially as sad as it may be, but let us not forget that at 13/14 peer pressure is very strong, many are put off, like it or not, by the name the Sea Cadets.
    What I require from you now, is to keep your boots on, take your Gore-Tex, off, and quickly and quietly make your way down to the river edge and I will meet you there.

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