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- 07-04-11, 13:59 #11
This clip from Andrew Neil's Daily Politics Show has to be seen and heard to be believed:Andrew Neil's Blog: Not Available for Service (I haven't quoted the comments)Originally Posted by BBC website 6 Apr 2011
07-04-11, 14:06 #12
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The last Sea Harrier flew off in 2003. Their B*stard plastic sons had been doing it untill 2010.YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCE WHEN YOU CHOOSE YOUR BRANCH!!
WAFU OO OO OO,
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Oh CrabFat!! It was our bird first!!!!
07-04-11, 14:14 #13
A timely reminder:Live Leak 25 May 2010: 12 U.S. Marine Harriers Land and Launch from HMS Ark RoyalBBC News 24 Nov 2010: Tears as last Harrier jets leave Ark Royal
07-04-11, 14:34 #14
07-04-11, 14:40 #15
In the whole Tornado VS Naval assets debacle you really have to look at the maths: £33k per hour, per aircraft operating costs, plus the associated servicing required after the operation; the in flight refuelling costs - all to deliver 3 stand off weapons!
The consider the vulnerability of the three air assets - in sum an expensive and needlessly risky advert for the RAF, doing a task TLAM could just as easily have done [and I know the argument about BROACH vs TLAM warhead but thats moot in this instance].
Politics not warfare.The only Life lesson, "Being right is irrelevant".
07-04-11, 16:12 #16
link). The £37k per flying hour Harrier GR9s were only sacrificed in favour of the £35k per hour Tornado GR4s in SDSR owing to the last minute intervention of the Chief of the Air Staff with the Prime Minister. This was specifically against the military advice of the First Sea Lord (link).
Not only would a dozen or more carrier-borne GR9s poised 12 nm off the Libyan coast have provided a more flexible and responsive ground attack capability with a higher sortie rate (ideal to react to the fast ebb and flow of current events) but a carrier could also have carried half a dozen helo gunships, all safely based within a few miles of the quickly-shifting frontline. From what I'm hearing on the news, these would be the answer to a maiden's prayer at the moment.
Some land-based Typhoons (at £70-80k per flying hour) would still have been useful for their range of more sophisticated heavyweight weaponry. However, it will certainly be interesting to see the eventual price ticket for deploying and sustaining 22 RAF aircraft (with the suggestion of more to follow) in Italy, renting base facilities, purchasing fuel at local prices, transporting, accommodating and feeding several hundred aircrew and support personnel, using COMAIR for conveying PAX and stores and flying 1,000 nm round trips to the Libyan coast with the £80k per hour tanker support and extra fuel incurred, all on a possible long-term basis.
I'm also guessing that there's more trouble to come in that part of the world. Wherever it breaks out, a carrier could move 500 nm per day to address it with little fuss or muss.
08-04-11, 11:35 #17
Some nice video clips showing the pace of flying operations from the FS Charles de Gaulle and USS Kearsarge, respectively:
12-04-11, 09:52 #18
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17-04-11, 18:27 #19
Good to know the RN is involved here too (see photo):
Originally Posted by Canadian Press 16 Apr 2011
18-04-11, 12:53 #20
Yes, I know it's the Sun so some of the figures may be arguable but...SIXTY Harrier jump jets that could be blasting Libyan tyrant Gaddafi's bloodthirsty gangs sit in UK hangars - waiting to be scrapped under defence spending cuts.
The warplanes are at RAF Cottesmore near Stamford, Lincs, after a £750million revamp. Meanwhile, Britain is struggling to maintain its expensive mission supporting Libyan rebels. The axed jets are in mothballs - while Britain blows £30million a WEEK struggling to carry out bombing missions over wartorn Libya.
The huge bill goes on basing RAF jets, their crews and ground staff in Italy, plus fuel and ammunition. But Harriers could do the job from an aircraft carrier for £40million a YEAR...The RAF is spending an estimated £40,000 a night for pilots and support staff to stay at four-star hotels in southern Italy while they conduct bombing missions against Colonel Muammar Gadaffi’s forces in Libya. The scale of the costs — more than £1.2m on hotels each month — is raising eyebrows in sections of the military community. It has also reignited ill-feeling between the RAF and the Royal Navy over David Cameron’s decision to scrap Britain’s flagship aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal and the Harrier jump jets that flew from it...
Last week the MoD announced that 12 RAF Typhoon jets would join missions from Gioia del Colle, in southern Italy, in addition to the eight Tornados already based there...
Local hoteliers say 700 RAF staff are based at hotels in the surrounding area. They are block-booked for six months until September, with many on half board. One hundred RAF personnel are staying in a four-star hotel in Conversano, 24 miles from the airbase. The hotel charges £100 a night for a double room. Outside Monopoli, 30 miles from the airbase on the Adriatic coast, 300 RAF personnel are staying at a separate four-star tourist complex, while in Gioia del Colle, three miles from the airbase, about 70 staff are staying at a third hotel...
Owing to the premature retirement of SHAR (Sea Harrier) without upgrade or replacement, some land-based RAF aircraft would be useful for the AD (Air Defence) role but it appears that other air forces are happily accepting this role even though they are reluctant to perform ground attack missions.