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Errr.... none yet and certainly not before Lusty goes up threat in the NY. In any case, O_S is bang on, the aim is to kill the smart bit of bio-mass in the front of the oppos fast jets to prevent him dropping his first load and then going back for more. Tends to discourage his mates (however suicidal - and there ain't many of them in a professional air force) from pressing their attacks as well.

Always, always kill the archer - don't p1ss about trying to knock down his arrows. In any case, any AD ships we manage to send will probably have enough on their hands worrying about Messrs Silkworm, Saccade etc...

Originally Posted by Samson

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Or with AAW destroyers ..... how many 45's are we getting again?

6 if we're lucky and the first won't be sailing off majestically into the sunset to do battle with Johhnie Foreigner before 2010.

And AAW destroyers should be one of the mid layer defences, they should not be the primary layer.

The Yanks refer to the mid layer of AAW DDG's and CG's as 'missile magnets' for a very good reason, because if the CAP is breached that's exactly what they are there for… and we know what happened the last time T42's tried playing that game.

point taken, there is no substitute for having the right kit.

Not_a_boffin. The other dvantage of a manned fighter is that it allows a measured flexible response; very much what the RAF Fighter Group does with QRA. It allows armed diplomacy and extends the flash to bang interval: something not easily done with just an active MEZ.

Absolutely. Allows ID of NCTs as well, plenty of options before you have to splash them. Bet the skipper of Vincennes wished he'd had a CAP under control to check that airbus......

Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin

Absolutely. Allows ID of NCTs as well, plenty of options before you have to splash them. Bet the skipper of Vincennes wished he'd had a CAP under control to check that airbus......

Totally agree - whilst on Armilla patrol we had three air contacts approaching us. Years before hand I had seen F14 radars but as having no proof from on site data sources I kept schtum (usual Golly routine) but the third target wasn't transmitting. As Iran had Tomcats in its OOB I started to sh1t myself - and so did the PWO. Turned out to be two F14 from USS BloodyBigThing that had turned up unannounced outside of the Gulf "escorting" an Iranian P3C - which we had seen on numerous occasions - but that is another dit.

yes danny it was on the tireless under the ice ,the submariners will tell you more i dont know the technical things about it ,but may they RIP