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Yes the Navy has changed beyond all recognition from the days of yore, and from a nostalgic point of view it is beyond anything we ever knew.

Rat shit?. I never said or implied it was rat shit. Why do you think it has, because we ain't there?
I had done 11 years when you left and only had 2 to do to finish my 9 (and 3 boys service) so I was in your navy, and had no say whatsoever in policy making, the stupid Admiralty forgot to ask me.
But I would still put my money on these "Sprogs," to hack it, and weapon for weapon, technology for technology, they are as good as we ever were.
Because of the modern technology they use, they can do as much damage in a couple of hours as we did in a couple of days.
Yes they have got stupid uniforms, they have as much say as we did about them,(fcuk all) Poor b*stards get no rum, and they don't get sent away for two years at a time, and most definitely have smaller c0ck. But they sure have the same size balls, so putting aside the we were better argument, when was the last time YOU served, and could you handle it now.
You (we) could be as offensive and abusive as much as we liked to anyone we liked as long as we could fill them in, but how would you function now with the NOW pressures, and that is what you should ask yourself not dismiss them and not even know about them.
Why should they listen to us if we won't listen to them?

They still spin good enough dits for me to feel jealous that they are and I ain't there. The little b*stards.

Originally Posted by Rumrat

Yes the Navy has changed beyond all recognition from the days of yore, and from a nostalgic point of view it is beyond anything we ever knew.

Rat shit?. I never said or implied it was rat shit. Why do you think it has, because we ain't there?
I had done 11 years when you left and only had 2 to do to finish my 9 (and 3 boys service) so I was in your navy, and had no say whatsoever in policy making, the stupid Admiralty forgot to ask me.
But I would still put my money on these "Sprogs," to hack it, and weapon for weapon, technology for technology, they are as good as we ever were.
Because of the modern technology they use, they can do as much damage in a couple of hours as we did in a couple of days.
Yes they have got stupid uniforms, they have as much say as we did about them,(fcuk all) Poor b*stards get no rum, and they don't get sent away for two years at a time, and most definitely have smaller c0ck. But they sure have the same size balls, so putting aside the we were batter argument, when was the last time YOU served, and could you handle it now.
You (we) could be as offensive and abusive as much as we liked to anyone we liked as long as we could fill them in, but how would you function now with the NOW pressures, and that is what you should ask yourself not dismiss them and not even know about them.
Why should they listen to us if we won't listen to them?

They still spin good enough dits for me to feel jealous that they are and I ain't there. The little b*stards.

wow and from an old fart

Originally Posted by The_Jimmy

Originally Posted by Rumrat

Yes the Navy has changed beyond all recognition from the days of yore, and from a nostalgic point of view it is beyond anything we ever knew.

Rat shit?. I never said or implied it was rat shit. Why do you think it has, because we ain't there?
I had done 11 years when you left and only had 2 to do to finish my 9 (and 3 boys service) so I was in your navy, and had no say whatsoever in policy making, the stupid Admiralty forgot to ask me.
But I would still put my money on these "Sprogs," to hack it, and weapon for weapon, technology for technology, they are as good as we ever were.
Because of the modern technology they use, they can do as much damage in a couple of hours as we did in a couple of days.
Yes they have got stupid uniforms, they have as much say as we did about them,(fcuk all) Poor b*stards get no rum, and they don't get sent away for two years at a time, and most definitely have smaller c0ck. But they sure have the same size balls, so putting aside the we were batter argument, when was the last time YOU served, and could you handle it now.
You (we) could be as offensive and abusive as much as we liked to anyone we liked as long as we could fill them in, but how would you function now with the NOW pressures, and that is what you should ask yourself not dismiss them and not even know about them.
Why should they listen to us if we won't listen to them?

They still spin good enough dits for me to feel jealous that they are and I ain't there. The little b*stards.

wow and from an old fart

Yup sure am an old fart, but like I tell the kids when they badger me, its my heart that has been damaged, not my brain.
I loved the Navy I was in and it sure ain't the one we got now.
In the same vain I loved my first car, an old standard 8 which had a top speed of 50mph and shook like a friggin go cart on cobbles, but I don't want it back.
I see the kids who come here with my daughter and they are not the same type of sailor as I was, but I would have been real shit up a mast spreading canvas, and the first broadside I had to face in Nelson's navy would have had me dying from terminal diarrhoea.

Originally Posted by Rumrat

Originally Posted by The_Jimmy

Originally Posted by Rumrat

Yes the Navy has changed beyond all recognition from the days of yore, and from a nostalgic point of view it is beyond anything we ever knew.

Rat shit?. I never said or implied it was rat shit. Why do you think it has, because we ain't there?
I had done 11 years when you left and only had 2 to do to finish my 9 (and 3 boys service) so I was in your navy, and had no say whatsoever in policy making, the stupid Admiralty forgot to ask me.
But I would still put my money on these "Sprogs," to hack it, and weapon for weapon, technology for technology, they are as good as we ever were.
Because of the modern technology they use, they can do as much damage in a couple of hours as we did in a couple of days.
Yes they have got stupid uniforms, they have as much say as we did about them,(fcuk all) Poor b*stards get no rum, and they don't get sent away for two years at a time, and most definitely have smaller c0ck. But they sure have the same size balls, so putting aside the we were batter argument, when was the last time YOU served, and could you handle it now.
You (we) could be as offensive and abusive as much as we liked to anyone we liked as long as we could fill them in, but how would you function now with the NOW pressures, and that is what you should ask yourself not dismiss them and not even know about them.
Why should they listen to us if we won't listen to them?

They still spin good enough dits for me to feel jealous that they are and I ain't there. The little b*stards.

wow and from an old fart

Yup sure am an old fart, but like I tell the kids when they badger me, its my heart that has been damaged, not my brain.
I loved the Navy I was in and it sure ain't the one we got now.
In the same vain I loved my first car, an old standard 8 which had a top speed of 50mph and shook like a friggin go cart on cobbles, but I don't want it back.
I see the kids who come here with my daughter and they are not the same type of sailor as I was, but I would have been real shit up a mast spreading canvas, and the first broadside I had to face in Nelson's navy would have had me dying from terminal diarrhoea.

Good on ya mate

Originally Posted by Jack_McHammocklashing

Originally Posted by Montigny_La_Palisse

Originally Posted by Jack_McHammocklashing

You say you served until 89
Then was it not you and yours that sent the RN to ratshit

I left in 76 and on a visit to Rosyth Navy days in 82 I saw it was buggered when two ratings were allowed ashore with PINK hair

In 76 this would never have been allowed Hell they would not even have been able to collect their pay on the quarterdeck without been run in

You do say you ran someone for a misdemeanor and they were let off
That is where the rot started, something was sadly wrong

Retention is what it was called I believe

Well the RN would have been better off without them in the first place and then came wimmin sailors the end was nigh


I believe the RN is finished and the sooner the better apart from the SSN service
We do not have enough ships to be everywhere at once, Yes one ship has the fire power of seven DLG's but one ship can not be in the MED the FES and the CARIB at the same time

Time to put the RN to sleep, put all the missiles on the Isle of Wight and have a mystery SSN nuclear power wherever they maybe Usually in the Irish sea as we watch every Corrie /east enders prog every night without fail

Surface fleet forget it, transfer the matelots to the UKBA

Jack McH

Throbber. I suspect if everyone was like you when you served, that is where the RN went to ratshit. You boring, trolling cnut.

Gollywog you need to take a good hard look at yourselves
I expect you do a 35 hour week now and sleep on a matress, I bet you are not even sleeping 48 to a mess
In my day we had no electronic entertainment, the radio signal was lost three miles off shore (have you been off shore?) The gramaphone used to dance and skip when at sea so that was a no no also
The messdeck turned to ratshit when in 68 cassette players came out and everyone bought one in Singers and no headphones it was hell but we still had discipline (do you know what discipline is ?),
You could not wander around with your hands in your pockets or amble around Dunfermline in no8's or as today in what we called two's with jacket unbuttoned and no cap

Today I agree matelots are highly trained in the electronic work that they do but are a shower of shite with no real discipline, just like civvy yobs really who are just there for the money (as I was only with pride discipline and subserviance)

Lets be honest the Navy is finished, yes matelots are doing great work in Helmund, but would not be needed if the other service had enough manpower to cover the jobs Jack is doing for them
If they had enough manpower Jack would not be needed, so no real role for Jack
Jack belongs at sea not ashore, and there are no longer any roles at sea so quit and recruit more Army personel with the savings, same amount of people without the cost of a rusting hulk to maintain

As I said in my previous post although a modern ship has more firepower it can not be in three places at once, and are no longer required vis a vi the Somali pirate incident we were there but could do nothing, a dog with no teeth

Jack McH

Your looking back with rose tinted glasses Jack. I joined in 1973 and left in 2007 and saw shed loads of changes from the introduction of berets to the new rig. Reel to reel movies were a fun but give me a DVD any time. In "your day" (and to a certain extent mine as well) there were shed loads of Jack and an awful lot of barrack stanchions that the system seemed to forget and had made "mini" careers wherever they had hidden. The days of the cushy shore draft have long gone, most have been made obsolete or been civilianised to save money so there aren't any good shore drafts and the sea/shore ratio is pretty shite IMHO. I get the feeling you are a member of the "bring back National Service" brigade with no idea or concept of the level of training required to maintain a modern warship (above or below water), your day has been and gone and mine is on the way out. I honestly don't think backward looking Luddites like yourself have got a clue as to what goes on these days.

i gotta say i agree with wrecker rumrat and the jimmy on this one i done 12 years starting in 97 i could see the changes from then upto now and i am pretty sure ive also said not in my day.
but at least i understand that time does change and the RN has to change with it.
IMHO i think they have it harder now than even what i had let alone the older ratings
yes they get e-mails and better accomodation ashore but im sure as shit most of them would swap all that for decent jollies and better dits(i would've).
and the discipline thing is utter shite they are probably more disciplined.
back when jack was jack etc jack himself got away with a lot more then than he ever would now

I knew it had changed when i joind my last ship in 81, the baby stokers no longer called it a run ashore but going out wtf. Plus the new rig (they made me get one) is shit

If you re-read all these posts it seems that most of the generations are here, 50's 60', 70's 80's 90's etc. All have the same thing to say.... 'it all changed after my day.' Speaks for itself.