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Discuss 32% of The people have spoken in Current Affairs on Navy Net; Originally Posted by WreckerL I have to agree with Mikh on this one, the two car companies you choose to mention aren't British so we have no major car industry in the UK, only car ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WreckerL View Post
    I have to agree with Mikh on this one, the two car companies you choose to mention aren't British so we have no major car industry in the UK, only car assemblers, the last we had, British Leyland, was a joke.

    For the coal industry demise I blame Scargill. UK mines were running at a loss but that idiot wanted more and more and it took Thatcher to stand up to him. He envisaged the UK going back to power cuts and 3 day weeks to prove how he really ran the country, instead we got far cheaper imported coal and the NUM was ruined. Scargill couldn't get his head around the fact it was cheaper to import coal (from Poland IIRC), transport it by sea and then deliver it than it was to dig it out of the our own ground. If he had realistically negotiated instead of dictated he might have got somewhere.

    It does not matter who owns the car company as long as they are employing our people and the same here where a Thai Steel company has reopened a steelmaking plant in Teesside, creating more than 1,700 jobs in the north-east of England and bringing the historic industry back to the region.

    Did it work out cheaper to import foreign coal when you take into account the huge benefit payments that were and are still being paid to those who lost their livelihood?

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    [QUOTE=finknottle;1083027]It does not matter who owns the car company as long as they are employing our people and the same here where a Thai Steel company has reopened a steelmaking plant in Teesside, creating more than 1,700 jobs in the north-east of England and bringing the historic industry back to the region.

    It can do, if a foreign investor in this country has problems in its home country it will shut down its business here first, and the Japanese set up shop here to get round European import rules not because of a love of all things British

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda View Post
    Safe as houses Tory seat here too Flagdeck - has been since the wheel was invented I'd imagine! However, the amount of people who turn out to vote is actually still quite small. Huge constituency, small number of potential voters and an even smaller number who actually turf hemselves out of their Chesterfield to vote.

    However, I still say that successive governments have missed the boat with my generation - the generation who have upped sticks and moved to constituencies which AREN'T safe seats.
    It is not just the Tories in Westminster that know how to gerrymander the population. "Education, education education" was the mantra. And they did a really good job of what they wanted out of it too.

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    [QUOTE=finknottle;1083027]It does not matter who owns the car company as long as they are employing our people and the same here where a Thai Steel company has reopened a steelmaking plant in Teesside, creating more than 1,700 jobs in the north-east of England and bringing the historic industry back to the region.

    Did it work out cheaper to import foreign coal when you take into account the huge benefit payments that were and are still being paid to those who lost their livelihood?[/QUOTE]

    Cheaper than paying over the top wages and prices for the coal as it was a nationalised industry, or had you forgotton it was the tax payer footing all the bills. I'm pretty sure a lot of ex-miners found alternative employment (maybe not all) and Scargill is still doing very well out of the union.
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    Never forget that Scargill is Finks hero. I believe Scargill is now locked in a legal battle with the Union to keep his perks going.

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    Unions need to realise that a union mans wage is only worth the value of the industry they are in.

    A ship yard worker may want paying £xx,xxx a year but if a ship yard worker in ............... will do the same job for just £x,xxx then he wins the job. Everyone's standard of living has dropped a little in the last year or two, why should union workers continue to recieve benefits that the country can't afford.

    I haven't had a bonus or pay rise for three years because the industry I work in doesn't warrant my employer offering me one. I have a choice:
    1. I realise that profit margins are low or in many cases non existent so for the long term good of the company and the majority of employees I grin and bear it until things improve.

    2. I change industry I work in.

    3. I hold the company to randsom like a spoiled child - "give me my pay rise or I'll take my ball back".

    A real man chooses between No1 (man the **** up) or No2 (**** off and see if the grass is greener). A union man goes straight to number 3 because the real world is harsh and there's a very good chance that without the union there to fight his battles he won't last five minute in a proper job.

    A union man decides if he can't get what he wants then every other ****er will pay for his selfishness.

    The unions will fight to save one lazy, incompetent man's job, even if it risks the jobs of another one thousand men. They say they look ater the people but by refusing to even consider the bigger picture they risk the existance of the companies who pay the bills of the employees.
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    Education, Education, Education! What a load of bollocks, two of the occasions I was made redundant was down to Liebours post school education policies, I worked for a training provider, we were promised the moon if we invested in certain areas, so we did, but, lo and behold the local college got a massive investment and built a new site, suddenly we were losing contract to the local college, in the motor vehicle section where I was the senior administrator, suddenly all of our Apprentices had to be directly employed by the garages we had placed them in (where the hell was the training allowance liebour had promised them) but the local college could place them 2 days a week free with two of the remaining says in college and the other free to do as they wanted, so much for on the job training, Level 2 came to us for one day a week for theory and keyskills, level three were with us one evening a week for the same, but at the end of the course our trainees walked away with a full apprenticeship, C&G Cert, Keyskills and technical certificate, the college boys got a tech cert and keyskills, so had to go on a complete a C&G IF they could find employment. We placed an advert in the local press and part of it stated that we were the Preeminent Motor Vehicle training proved in the county, an other college in the county threatened us with court action unless we issued a retraction (Monty may know the college I am on about, not a thousand mile away from his original home city), we pointed out we were the first training provider to put our apprentices through the full scheme, we had better results than any other training provider in the North West of England for Level two and Level three Apprenticeship pass rates, the same college sub contracted apprentices to us as they could not offer training in Paint & Bodywork, no court case. We were then told we could get contacts in adult training for the long term unemployed, but we would need to invest, so we did, did we get the contracts, did we buggery, a new firm came into the area, beloved of the liebour party so they got the contracts, end result, insolvency for the firm I worked for. I was lucky that time, another company took over the motor vehicle department, but a few years later had to close its offices in my area due to further cuts in the allowance for training from the liebour party and more pushes for the local college to take on yet more MV trainees (Trainees who they were failing to offer a full package to, but this was a college pushed by the liebour lovies so could not be seen to fail).

    As a rule of thumb, I do not believe a word that comes from the mouth of a polly, no matter what colour they wear, but if they wear red I immediately think of the opposite of what they have said to be the truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by finknottle View Post
    It does not matter who owns the car company as long as they are employing our people and the same here where a Thai Steel company has reopened a steelmaking plant in Teesside, creating more than 1,700 jobs in the north-east of England and bringing the historic industry back to the region.
    You seem to completely fail to understand the fundamental difference between a nation's own industry and foreign industry outsourcing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montigny-La-Palisse View Post
    You seem to completely fail to understand the fundamental difference between a nation's own industry and foreign industry outsourcing.
    Simples, ones foreign and ones ours nothing too difficult for me there MLP and as I said as long as they employ our people who pay taxes who cares if they are British or Thai. Ask those who have been re-employed at the Thai owned steel works in the North East if they give a shit who owns the company.

    That's what the buffoons should be doing, investing in infrastructure, employing people who will pay taxes, not cutting, cutting, cutting and not laying people off. When people fly into Heathrow they must think and they are probably right, that they have arrived in some 3rd world country. The last time I flew in it was a fekin shambles queues of hundreds of people everywhere, all tired and extremely pissed-off.

    Don't forget to bib your horn and give the thumbs up in support of the PCS and Unite's NHS workers on the 10th as you drive past them, they will appreciate it.
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    Right, Finks. The companies that outsource industry to Britain, or TNCs, do not come here for love of the country. They come here for a financial benefit, for Toyota, this is to avoid the EU import duties by making the european market cars in europe. As soon as they lose benefit from being here, that's it, they're off and relocating to another country. British industry is here out of not being a large Transnational Corporation, and although companies might fail from time to time, they're in Britain because it's, well, British, not because it offers financial benefits other nations do not offer, ergo, they will not relocate elsewhere that has, say, cheaper labour or lower taxes.

    GCSE Geography DID come into some use after all.

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