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Originally Posted by finknottle

In the conventional sense I agree I do not think it is winnable for either side.

The big difference and the reason we should leave as soon as possible is that one side is playing "AT HOME" the other side has a home to go to.

Guess who will crack first. Me thinks the home side are a certainty.

Nutty

We are fighting in Afghanistan to do three things.
1. Enforce our version of democracy on the people.
2. Deny funds to the Taliban.
3. Stop the drug production.

We are achieving none of the above.

1. So how about withdrawing our forces.
2. Tightening the Borders and effectively stop the export of narcotics.
3. Destroy the poppy fields using chemicals.
4. Supply the farmers with seed to grow a crop that the West can use and purchase it from them at market rates.

This just may achieve what wars in Afghanistan have been unable to.

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Originally Posted by scouse

Originally Posted by andym

If you can get a copy of The Ninth Company,its a true story about a Soviet unit in afghanistan.A sort of soviet Full Metal Jacket.

Watched the Film Rota the Ninth Company. Very poignant. Is it right what the Senior Russian officer said "Afghanistan has never been conquered?

Scouse - True what the intellegence rupert was telling his new intake. Back through history no one including Alexander the Great has ever defeated these people. I think Rudyard Kipling summed it up in one verse of a poem about the British in Afghanistan the first time around ( we got beat BTW).

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

The 9th Company was excellent. Another great movie is 'The Beast' about a Soviet tank crew lost in the mountains and valleys after losing radio communication with their division.

Red Sailor

Hell it's far better than metal jacket and quite simply one of the best war movies I've ever seen.
The battle scenes frightened the crap out of me,so realistic.
got it recorded on disc just watched it again and it's a helluva film and true.
We got no chance against those in the mountains,if we kill them all a load more will come over from other lands.
I'm very right wing in most things but this is not the way forward here,not when other countries will not pull any weight.
Brown said today that Germany may give some helos and France are sending troops so the USA marines can go south and engage the Tallies.
Says it all really time to come home and buy the poppies from them.

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Originally Posted by slim

We are fighting in Afghanistan to do three things.
1. Enforce our version of democracy on the people.
2. Deny funds to the Taliban.
3. Stop the drug production.

We are achieving none of the above.

1. So how about withdrawing our forces.
2. Tightening the Borders and effectively stop the export of narcotics.
3. Destroy the poppy fields using chemicals.
4. Supply the farmers with seed to grow a crop that the West can use and purchase it from them at market rates.

This just may achieve what wars in Afghanistan have been unable to.

With ref to "4", why doesn't the West get them to grow crops used in either Biomass fuel production or some grain variant. With the price of food shooting up due to land being converted for Biomass fuel production instead of for food it must be winner for them.

Crikey, I've just given a sensible idea and haven't charged exorbitant fees as a consultant. Damn, another opportunity missed.